Transforming Noise Into Music | Jackson Jhin | TEDxUND

Transforming Noise Into Music | Jackson Jhin | TEDxUND

Translator: Ines Azabou
Reviewer: Queenie Lee Finding insperation is not the hardest part
of composing music. Musical ideas are all around us, but sifting through them to find something
that’s going to be appealing not only to yourself
but also to other people is the real challenge. Hi, my name is Jackson Jhin, I am a composer
and electronic music producer. And what if I could show you
what makes popular music popular? So here is the end result
of a well-known piece: Pachelbel’s Canon in D. (Music) Now, even if you don’t know
the title of this song, this chord progression is used
throughout contemporary music and is heard in weddings, graduations,
and throughout our culture. But how exactly did Pachelbel know
this would be so appealing? Well, he had commissions, audiences, and audiences that gave him applause
as sources of affirmation. But he would also stress the importance
of classical music theory, which states that
very certain harmonies, chords, and all these types of progressions are crucially important
to making appealing music. But if we look on the other side
of the world, for example, some cultures don’t even use
the same 12 semitones per octave, much less the same harmonies or scales, so then what is it that defines music? What if you were born
on an island with no society? Then what would music sound like to you? So, on this island, we find a coconut. (Pangs) It sounds like this. Pretty basic noise,
not inherently musical or special. But let’s make it
a little bit more special. What if we find two sticks? It sounds like this. (Tapping) Now, if I were to play this sound
over and over for an hour, how many of you would consider this music, or better yet, how many of you
would just go ahead and kick me off? (Laughter) Kick me off the island. But we find more sticks, and then now we can change
a variable to add more interest: pitch. Now we get something
that sounds like this. (Music) A lot more interesting. So now what I’m going to do
is play this over – (Music) now this is a lot more
interesting than the coconut, but what we are going to do
is bring the coconut back in. Now what you have
is the stable rhythm of the coconut (Laughter) but a very interesting counterpoint
of the sticks on top. And lastly, to bring this
to our final step of musicality, imagine that we are in a cave. (Reverberating sound) And now what you have is the interaction
of the sound and the cave; the echo creating something predictable
that will always happen but yet inherently interesting. So by raise of hands, how many of you’d consider
that more musical than just the coconut we started out with? Awesome, it looks like
almost everyone. Great. So then, what is it that defines music? Music is fundamentally the balance between predictability and variability. Now this is important because you
need your music to be intriguing, you want it to be interesting, but, at the same time,
if it is not predictable, if you can’t anticipate
what’s going to happen next, it’s too chaotic. So I’ll show you what I mean. We take out one of these,
and all we have is predictability. A famous modern composer, Philip Glass, is known for using very repetitive music that sounds just like this, very predictable without much variation. So let me play a little bit for you. (Music) on and on and on. This piece is an hour
and eight minutes long. (Laughter) That’s crazy. And on the other extreme, let’s take out predictability,
and what do we get. We get complete variability with no anticipation
of what’s going to happen next. Another modern composer, John Cage, is famous for playing
very avant-garde music without much anticipation
of what could happen next, and in this particular piece, he uses a feather to stroke
and amplify cactus. I’ll show you what I mean.
It sounds like this. (Music) So imagine that for an hour
and eight minutes. (Laughter) Now, I don’t personally enjoy John Cage’s
cactus experiments, but some people do. Some people are
on either end of the spectrum that can like very predictable music
or very variable music. (Laughter) But for the most of us, we need it to be balanced
between predictability and variability. So what’s an example of this? Well, actually, Pachelbel’s Canon in D
is a great example. What we have here (Music) is a piece that is balanced very well, with each chord sharing at least one note
with the chord proceeding it, a very steady tempo and chord progression, with a very interesting
counterpoint on top – What does this all mean? Translation: it’s well balanced
and it’s appealing. So, what we are going to do
is see if we can take that out, take the intentional
predictability and variability and see what happens then. So what I have done is cut this up
into eight arbitrary slices, and with the help of the audience – Could I please have a number
between one and eight? Right here. Seven. Okay! A different number, please! Seven, four … between one and eight! (Laughter) Seven, four, two –
seven, four, two, three – seven, four, two, three, six. We have seven, four, two, three, six. Now, what I am going to do
is play this Philip Glass style. (Music) Over and over … And what we have is something
that sounds totally different, and honestly pretty bad. So, with the help from the audience, we have just destroyed one
of the most appealing pieces of music. (Laughter) But that is easy,
anyone can deconstruct music, you just have to take things
out until nothing is left, but what if we could transform noise
into music, using these same principles. So this next sound I have – (Beeping) I can already see
by the looks on and groans that this may sound like something more that you try to hit in the morning
to shut off rather than music. But what if we change a variable
to make this more interesting. So let’s change pitch. So instead of this … (Beeping) we change pitch and we get this … (Music) A lot more interesting, right? And then next, we are going
to change the rhythm and see if we can make this
even more musical. We get this. (Music) So, how many of you think
that last part is more appealing than just the alarm clock itself? (Laughter) I would rather wake up to this as well. But what does all this mean? Some people do have preferences
on either end of the spectrum, and our preferences
can fall anywhere in between. Some people may like
more predictable music, some people might like more variation; however, the majority of us
need this fundamental balance of predictability and variability
to find music appealing. Every day, when we listen to music, we use very strict frameworks,
like genre, culture, and era, to tell us exactly what music
is going to be appealing and what instruments
and sounds to listen for, but the next time you listen to something
that doesn’t catch you immediately or isn’t appealing at first, don’t press skip, give it a chance, focus on the balance
of predictability and variability. Thank you. (Applause)

Comments (100)

  1. What was the point in this talk exactly?

  2. Woah..My Mind Has been Distracted….I should Study For My Exam but…I Kindda Listen To da Coconut And Stick Again,Again,Again and Again

    Soooooo Cool Im Gunna Cry T~T

  3. making bass house from sticks

  4. Native Instruments, Maschine.

  5. I want this dude to be my music teacher in class

  6. Tramsform noise into music??
    Einstürzende Neubauten.

  7. A good example of a composer who does repetitive music is DJ Khaled

  8. I dont know what to make of this, I been doing this for years, it is the soul of working with samplers. It is why you buy a sampler, and use samper. To mangle random sounds and noises into music. I dont get the point of this vid. Its like saying; look here is a car and when you drive it you go from a to b

  9. I shoulda skipped this video….

  10. Those were factory presents ..get Aurther and punisher

  11. That was actually so pointless that i looked at my poop in the toilet for an hour and eight minutes.

  12. Pop music and mumble rap already did this

  13. I’m bored of these Ted Talks speakers, who talk as though everything they say is mind blowing and profound, which is incredibly predictable

  14. 2:50 For those of you who enjoy that sweet coconut beat. And also because other people don't put the timestamp in.

  15. Friends, what is instruments name he is use for music?

  16. Now I learnt how to make music from ‘raw’ materials

  17. What was the classical song?

  18. If the coconut beat is more fine tuned it could give competition to the top djs

  19. 8:47 I really like the message, thanks.

  20. 0:45 Heard the first notes; already named the song as Canon by Pachelbel, and how he also had a Christmas Canon.

  21. Heavy sounding coconut, that is.

  22. Aphex Twin would be more confident in speaking of that

  23. I thought this was some kind of league of legends music composition…

  24. Around 1977, I was a small child. I recall watching an after school children's special on TV where a few kids took some samples of noise around their large urban town. They combined it and made music. I want to say it was titled "take the midtown bus". On top of that, they used a computer to do it. Now that I look back, I realize those kids were WAY ahead of their time. I have looked for it, but I have never been able to find it. Ring any bells?

  25. Im stil waiting for the interesting stuff

    Not gona happen ? Sucks.

  26. garrix making a big room track

  27. This is a lie

    Sound is a paid actor…

  28. Jhin the Virtuoso(?)

    LOL people anyone?

  29. Humare india ma tersa accha to 3 sal ka baccha bja leta h😂😂

  30. Honestly , You hurt my expectation but thank you for your efforts .

  31. id rather listen to an alarm clock than kpop

  32. Damn.. i am waiting for the final music. I thought this man would make a music at the end of his speech to show or prove all he had said. I

  33. Jackson Jhin?
    1, 2, 3 FOUR!!!

  34. Awesomeness is served

  35. As the mighty Thanos would say," Perfectly balanced. As all things should be."

  36. Интнрестно

  37. Got a new definition of MUSIC….

  38. Anyone know the trick he used to divide it up into a similar sounding scale?

  39. I am illiterate for music but you are speaking makes it really far more interesting.

  40. In this 9 minutes, I could have heard a music track that i don't like twice, to like it after..
    Instead, I got nothing .. Oo

  41. I never knew music could be so boring.

  42. Still waiting for him to cut into a sick Excision drop.

  43. offcourse he's Asian

  44. this basically is what Dostoyevsky said about writing

  45. Really good! We transformed our dogs barking into a song! 😀

  46. wow je me suis endormit mdr trop lent c'est explication ptdr

  47. You cannot define music. Its a red herring philosophically. For a definition to be possible that which you are defining must be finished/complete. But music is always evolving, changing growing. As such any attempt at definition is nonsensical.

  48. yin yang masculine feminine order chaos

  49. What is that gadget so called?

  50. I think you have confused sound and noise.

  51. Thanks Ted. This teaches me nothing.

  52. Lol it wasn't surprising but it's okey

  53. 2:50 sounds like the beginning of a Jungle Terror piece.

  54. masters of bullshitting

  55. Thank you this inspires me to continue making music different from norm. Have a listen sometime! 🙂

  56. If he was marshmallow

  57. When I heard the name of John Cage, I quickly turned down the volumn.

  58. The balance of predictability and variability…

    Infected Mushroom's music

  59. This just gave me an internal bleeding

    me : this is music ..

  61. Never fear, The Fast is here.

  62. I think you've missed the point of Philip Glass and other Minimalist composers. It is not simply about repetition (or predictability as you put it). Their music does contain variability – it's just that the variation happens extremely gradually over a very long period of time.

    And when you just finish saying that people sit on either end of the spectrum between predictability and variability then you go ahead and say that your deconstruction of Pachelbel's Canon 'Philip Glass style' sounds 'honestly pretty bad' you've alienated all those who are on the 'predictability' end of the spectrum and have really just shown yourself to be a narrow-minded and opinionated person who I don't want to listen to anymore.

  63. hardcore is a perfect mix between predictability and variability

  64. i am seeing this video for first time….
    A sound is also apart from music..(<>)!!!!!!

  65. now I need to figure out how to change the pitch of a coconut

  66. I can't believe that the audience was genuinely wowed by for sticks becoming a beat with the kick drum! It's Just basic.

  67. 8:36 Some people like more very asian?

  68. All that gibberish, if it weren’t for Technology(samplers) majority of these producers wouldn’t even exist, Technology has made it easier for anybody to make “music” little kids do it on their toys all the time, just push a button. You electronically make music out of anything because you can’t play an instrument!

  69. 3:50 This fellow needs to listen to prog rock/metal and, especially, Opeth.

  70. Maybe this guy cold take some modern pop and make it sound good

  71. >Let's take out predictability

    Uh Shostakovich anyone?

  72. He could of gone deeper. But did well with the time used.

  73. expected him to combine all these sounds to a nice piece of music

  74. damn he was shaking the entire time

  75. That's not an echo in a cave or a room sir.. It's reverberation.. both are different phenomena..

  76. I thought it was gonna be some real noise, this is of course some modern day techno stuff sadly but at least it's music

  77. wow this talk inspired me that i could throw sticks and coconuts on the floor and make an official music video with taylor swift

  78. This video taught me that if you left click and hold the subtitles while dragging your mouse you can move them. Mind Blown!

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  80. this is the perfect example of talking without saying anything. ted x ladies and gentlemen

  81. Bravo 👏!!! Very informative.

  82. Jhin takes a Bruce Lee-esque approach to composing classical music.

  83. He has no sense of rhythm.

  84. I create very atmospheric electronic and organic music, and he's spot on with how important the perception of sound within an actualspace is. An entire song can come to life with proper use of reverb, emulating what the sound would or could be doing in an actual environment.

  85. La música es el lenguaje de las expresiones en sonido a través de secuencias y patrones sobre el tiempo. La música es el lenguaje universal. La música es cultura!

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